Wed, Aug
12
2009

Stupidity in the Health Care Debate

Republican Response

Fearmongering in the United States over President Obama’s modest proposals to reform health care has gone to absolutely stupid levels. The amount of disinformation and outright lies about the Canadian and British health care systems is personally insulting. I guess trying to terrorize the American voting public by implying that a proposed government health care system would legalize government-encouraged euthanasia shows exactly who’s the one really terrorized by the proposals, and that would be the big business interests who fear losing out on milking decent Americans of their health care dollars once Americans finally obtain decent health care.

Consider this editorial from the Investor’s Business Daily:

The U.K.’s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) basically figures out who deserves treatment by using a cost-utility analysis based on the “quality adjusted life year.”

One year in perfect health gets you one point. Deductions are taken for blindness, for being in a wheelchair and so on.

The more points you have, the more your life is considered worth saving, and the likelier you are to get care.

People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

I found this link thanks to Chet Scoville of the Vanity Press. His response is gold:

That would, of course, be the Stephen Hawking who was born in Oxford, teaches at Cambridge, and has spent his entire life in the UK.

To Americans reading this: Canada’s health care system isn’t perfect, but it’s a darn sight better than what you have. And I say this as one who has experienced extensive health care north and south of the border. Erin and I have dealt with two pregnancies, a major neurological disorder, not to mention several minor illnesses and injuries north of the border. We know south of the border, too: Erin had a brain tumor, and Erin’s father had to have a hole in his heart closed by the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.

In all cases, Canadian or American, we’ve had little complaint about the actual quality of care. We weren’t put on long waiting lists, we had access to top-quality care (including midwife care), and we’ve been able to choose the doctors we want. But the bill we received from Grand River Hospital in Kitchener for the birth of Nora was just $41. The bill we received for full midwifery care from 12 weeks into the pregnancy to 6 weeks after the birth came to exactly $0. By comparison Erin’s brain tumor in Minneapolis left her nearly bankrupt and owing $5000. My father-in-law’s Mayo Clinic visit was covered by his workplace’s health insurance, and thank God for that, but with deductions, they still ended up paying thousands for the life saving surgery.

From this, I can tell you which system is better. And it’s north.


Suaad Hagi Mohamud

An Update on the Suaad Hagi Mohamud Case

I’ve just heard the good news from Dr. Dawg: Somali-Canadian Suaad Hagi Mohamud, who was detained in Kenya on accusations that she was not the woman in her passport photograph, has been vindicated through DNA testing.

DNA tests have confirmed a Toronto woman marooned in Kenya really is who she says she is.

Somali-born Suaad Hagi Mohamud has been stuck in Nairobi for more than two months after she was told her lips did not match her passport photo when she tried to travel home.

Mohamud says she is glad the “nightmare is finally over.”

Her Canadian lawyer Raoul Boulakia says the 99.9 per cent positive test results means no one can dispute his client’s identity any longer.

(link)

It should be noted that the $800 to perform this DNA test was paid for by the Canadian government, so thanks for that. However, the fact remains that this Canadian citizen was put through the nightmare of being accused of being an impostor of herself, threatened with deportation to Somalia and, for the first couple of weeks, received next to no help from the Canadian government. This despite the vague reasons for the dismissal of her passport, and despite testimony from facial recognition experts that she was who she said she was. The Department of Foreign Affairs failed to protect her interests, and had to be cajoled by Ms. Mohamud’s lawyer, by her Member of Parliament, and by dozens of friends and neighbours and other average Canadians who took an interest in this case. Even with the DNA tests apparently proving her identity, members of our federal government will not, days later, commit to returning Ms. Muhamud home. Shameful!

Between this and other cases, shake my confidence in the ability and the willingness of the Department of Foreign Affairs to defend the rights of Canadians abroad. And the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Lawrence Cannon, has to answer for the failures of his department. He contributed to the stonewall that Ms. Muhamud had to fight against, and he was wrong. If this government was as accountable as it claimed to be, what should his next step be? What should the next step be of any minister that allowed this mess to happen?

For further reading, Dr. Dawg has been sticking to this case, like a (ahem) bulldog.

6 Comments

Re healthcare - it’s beyond ridiculous, is it not? Was chatting with an American tonight about this - he’s early 50s, healthy, doesn’t smoke, no history of illness, and is paying $750 PER MONTH for his health insurance. And 17,000 per year property taxes (New Jersey) for a basic, average house. He now realizes that perhaps “higher” taxes (income only) and socialized healthcare might not be so bad.

Re Suaad Hagi Mohamud - haven’t been paying any attention to this story, so can’t comment.

Regarding the health care debate in the USA is like watching a rude, crude commedy show if it wasn’t so serious an issue. The Republicans surely can’t be as ignorant as they sound. If the US only had a real responsible news reporting instead of promoting the ignorant and totally untrue aspects of the issue and reported honesty and rebutted some of these far fetched statements being promoted by those that have been paid off or are servents to the big insurance industry lobbies.

Americans should be doing reserch on the internet from what and how the public health systems are really operated in Canada, Europe, and Australia.

Its about time the American public look further than their Fox news or their local Preacher for the real information on some of these big issues. The USA doesn’t have an honest news reporting outlet since deregulation and consolidation of the news services by thr corpoate world

I am watching the American healthcare debate with shock and disbelief…..’death panels’ ‘nazis’ ‘taking away freedoms’…..the debate is about providing HEALTH CARE! I am suffering from shock and awe - that people can be so gullible and selfish.

I am old enough to remember when we got universal healthcare in Canada. I remember the sense of relief that accompanied it. Obama’s plan - if anything - doesn’t go far enough. But it is a start in the right direction.

It’s not just people without health insurance who are suffering in the US. Anyone who has an unexpected health problem or job loss could end up bankrupt. Who in their right mind would oppose healthcare other than the insurance companies or others who are making money on the backs of the people who have to pay.

Wake up Americans! Obama is the best thing that ever happened to you! He listens and he acts and he has the health and welfare of all Americans as his motivation. Don’t let the detractors have their way.

Proud and thankful to be a compassionate Canadian.

I’m Canadian. My wife has been unemployed for a year and I lost my job 4 months ago. I started my own business. Money is tight and we worry about our future. Acorrdingly, we have maded many adjustment to our expenses. Dental care has been one. I have skipped my yearly exam. I cant imagine not having Health care. In fact, my wife has been suffering from stress related issues. Without health care in Canada her doctor visits would have cost money we dont have. Why do many Americans not understand that universal health care works in Canada. Please stop bashing our system.

Re: Suaad Mohamud case

Is there any way canadians can donate money to help Ms. Mohamud with the debt she is in because of our government’s disgusting lack of any seeming interest to help this woman?

I am on a fixed income, but would gladly give what I can.

thanks,

Lori Seguin

I have been watching closely, the debates in the United States about healthcare reform. It is startling how rude and crude and ignorant the arguments against health care reform are. I doubt that most of the people who are talking about “Socialism” even know what the term means and are only using the language to try to insult and discredit President Obama and make him sound like some kind of a scary person. This is really all because they cannot deal with his intelligence and his thoughtful approach to the issue. The Republican Party and its minions are exploiting the ignorance and backwordness of some of the citizens. What is worse is that the Republicans know that health care reform would be great for the people but they appear to be only interested in advancing their political agendas while exposing their biases. These desenters need to realize and accept, that although American is a great country - not everything is perfect there. Furthermore, as President Obama says, the United States is the only wealthy nation that allows their citizens to die because they have no access to affordable or universal health care. I am a proud Canadian Citizen and they could go a long way in learning a few things from us about civil conduct and stop bashing our country and our Health Care System……….at least we have one.

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